Anonymous said: Dark side of feminism? How about feminists sending DEATH THREATS to the Hilton hotel that is holding a conference to talk about men's issues? We keep telling men to not bring up their issues within feminism, they should talk with "their own space" - yet as soon as they try, feminists come out the woodwork to stop them. Can we just give up on this fantasy that feminism isn't about man hate and deal with the problems within our own movement? (btw, open your submit for link to the death threats)
Hey, gurl! JK, I’m 99% sure you’re neither a feminist nor a woman, despite using the words “we” and “our own movement.” I’m not sure why you wanted to pretend to be a feminist (so I would listen better? I don’t know) but that’s OK. You can write to me anytime and as long as you are civil and polite, I will listen. I do take death threats seriously, so I did some research. I couldn’t find any reports of threats of violence or death except from Men’s Rights blogs, and I don’t regard them as genuine news sources. I certainly couldn’t find any posts from feminist groups urging women to make these types of threats. I did find this article, from the Huffington Post, which says that protests are planned.
The conference is organized by A Voice for Men, a group known more for insulting women and feminists online than actually working on the very real men’s issues that exist. Here’s a quote from a post the founder wrote a few years ago: “And all the outraged PC demands to get huffy and point out how nothing justifies or excuses rape won’t change the fact that there are a lot of women who get pummeled and pumped because they are stupid (and often arrogant) enough to walk though life with the equivalent of a I’M A STUPID, CONNIVING BITCH – PLEASE RAPE ME neon sign glowing above their empty little narcissistic heads.” No surprise that feminists don’t want this group to imply that they’re part of the broader civil rights movement, when in fact they tend to serve as hate groups against women. (Here’s a good article for anyone reading who doesn’t know much about the “men’s rights” movement).
So I couldn’t find any reports from news sources, national or local, about death threats. That doesn’t mean there weren’t any - and they would be totally unacceptable. Completely. That’s harassment, and anyone making death threats should be prosecuted. But there’s no way we can say that these possible death threats represent the feminist movement. It’s like saying that Christianity is about hatred and bigotry because of the Westboro Baptist Church. A few crazies on the fringe should not define a large group of people.
To address a couple other things you said - “We keep telling men to not bring up their issues within feminism” - whoa, no “we” don’t. I disagree with this completely, and without speaking for everyone, I think my friends would, too. Feminism is about equality between men and women. Men and women are both important. Men are often harmed by traditional gender expectations - that they aren’t allowed to have feelings, that they have to be “tough.” There’s a bias against fathers in custody cases because of a stereotype that women are naturally better parents. These all come from the very same gender stereotypes that feminists want to end. “Can we just give up on this fantasy that feminism isn’t about man hate” - no, because it’s not a fantasy. No matter how many times anti-feminists say it, feminism is not about man hate. Not at all. It’s about equality between women and men. I wish that’s what the men at the AVFM conference wanted, too. Thank you for your civil message, and I hope you reconsider your thoughts on feminism, MRAs, and where you get your information.